Can reinforcement learning improve models during general pretraining?
Can RL work during standard pretraining on unverified text like Wikipedia, without reward models or labeled data? This matters because it would remove the data bottleneck that currently limits RL-based training to small verified domains.
RLVR's reach is capped by a data-wall: it needs domain-specific verifiers to label samples, and RLHF needs reward models and can only train limited steps before reward hacking. PretrainZero attacks the wall by moving RL into pretraining on a general corpus, with two characteristics. Active pretraining: a unified reasoning policy actively identifies reasonable, informative content from the corpus and reasons to predict it — mimicking human active learning rather than passively predicting every token. Self-supervised: no verifiable labels, no pretrained reward model, no SFT — it pretrains reasoners (3–30B) directly on Wikipedia via RL, breaking the verification data-wall for general reasoning.
The keeper finding is that even Wikipedia — already seen during base pretraining — yields further gains under reinforcement active learning, beating continued pretraining, SFT, and random/entropy-based reinforcement pretraining. The lever is the active selection of what to reinforce, not new data.
This extends the reinforcement-pretraining family along the active-learning axis. It is the active-selection sibling of Can next-token prediction become a reasoning task with RL? (RPT, which reframes every next-token as a verifiable reasoning reward) — PretrainZero adds that which content to reinforce should itself be chosen for informativeness and not-yet-mastery, and it complements Can chain-of-thought reasoning be learned during pretraining itself? on the information-gain motive.
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Can next-token prediction become a reasoning task with RL?
Does reinforcement learning applied to next-token prediction during pretraining encourage genuine reasoning rather than surface memorization? This matters because it could unlock reasoning capability without requiring labeled data or human feedback.
closest sibling: RPT makes next-token a verifiable reward; PretrainZero adds active selection of informative content
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Can chain-of-thought reasoning be learned during pretraining itself?
Explores whether reasoning emerges more effectively when models treat thinking as an exploratory action during next-token prediction, rather than only after pretraining through reinforcement learning.
shares the information-gain motive for reinforcement during pretraining
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When does RL actually extend reasoning beyond pretraining?
Does reinforcement learning genuinely expand a model's reasoning capabilities, or does it merely improve sampling from existing knowledge? This question hinges on whether pretraining provides sufficient foundation and whether RL targets tasks within reach.
active selection of not-yet-mastered content is an operationalization of "target the edge of competence"
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- RLP: Reinforcement as a Pretraining Objective
- Reinforcement Pre-Training
- Eliciting Reasoning in Language Models with Cognitive Tools
- Spurious Rewards: Rethinking Training Signals in RLVR
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reinforcement learning can run during pretraining without verifiers by actively selecting informative not-yet-mastered content